Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils: Cory Schneider Vs. Martin Brodeur

Couldn't agree more Todd. This is what has killed us the last few years. We are always trying to be to loyal instead of putting the best interest of the franchise first. I mean Salvador for 3 years should of been 1-2 years but then we got to go and throw the C on him and he is now stuck here no matter how bad he plays. Bringing back old former Devils. Making sure they have a good chunk of change to retire on. Sitting on of the best prospects we have ever had for the likes of Tallinder, Zidlicky, Salvador. Now is the time to change this pattern, Marty is the greatest goalie ever and has been here for his entire career but Schneider is hands down the better goalie at this stage of their careers. We have to give Corey a few more starts then Marty imo. We cant have Corey being upset about playing time or it could very well end in 3 wasted first round picks in a row that would be more then crippling to us!.

Great article! Love stats like this especially goalies cause I am one. I think Schneider will get around 45-50 starts. Marty, as good as he has been, is starting to decline in his career. Yes he can still be a starter but its time for him to become a teacher for a young goalie like Schneider. However, Marty has never really been challenged for his starting job in his career so maybe he might turn it up a notch. Us Devils fans should be very excited for this season to watch some great goal tending. Is it October yet?

Couldn't agree more Todd. This is what has killed us the last few years. We are always trying to be to loyal instead of putting the best interest of the franchise first. I mean Salvador for 3 years should of been 1-2 years but then we got to go and throw the C on him and he is now stuck here no matter how bad he plays. Bringing back old former Devils. Making sure they have a good chunk of change to retire on. Sitting on of the best prospects we have ever had for the likes of Tallinder, Zidlicky, Salvador. Now is the time to change this pattern, Marty is the greatest goalie ever and has been here for his entire career but Schneider is hands down the better goalie at this stage of their careers. We have to give Corey a few more starts then Marty imo. We cant have Corey being upset about playing time or it could very well end in 3 wasted first round picks in a row that would be more then crippling to us!.
- blizzzard

Thanks

Great article! Love stats like this especially goalies cause I am one. I think Schneider will get around 45-50 starts. Marty, as good as he has been, is starting to decline in his career. Yes he can still be a starter but its time for him to become a teacher for a young goalie like Schneider. However, Marty has never really been challenged for his starting job in his career so maybe he might turn it up a notch. Us Devils fans should be very excited for this season to watch some great goal tending. Is it October yet?
- matty_ice_30

Thanks a lot.

Interesting facts; thanks for putting this together.

Marty should get the home opener, away vs. Montrael, and the 2nd half of the back to back. In other words, Schneider should be #1.

Marty is the greatest ever but he has been inconsistent and injury prone the last few yea. Last yr, he was very good before injury and shaky and guessing when he came back. It did not show much because Devils fell behind and allowed few shots on net. Year before very good vs. LA in SCF final. Not that great vs. Florida.

At this point, I don't even think its a debate that Schneider is much better, its just how accommodating the Deboer and Brodeur will be in giving over the reins in net for the betterment of the team.

Loyalty-above-all used to work better in the non-cap era. Salaries are common knowledge now to even a casual fan and role players are getting severely overpaid.

Also, Lou doesn't find diamonds in the rough anymore (like Madden or Rafalski) nor have the Devils developed any decent players in a long time. Conte and Lou just aren't what they used to be.

This team has tons of problems and they'll likely get worse. I don't think the Brodeur farewell tour (if this actually is one) isn't going to increase ticket sales any either.

That said, yes, I can't wait for October.

At this point, I don't even think its a debate that Schneider is much better, its just how accommodating the Deboer and Brodeur will be in giving over the reins in net for the betterment of the team.

Loyalty-above-all used to work better in the non-cap era. Salaries are common knowledge now to even a casual fan and role players are getting severely overpaid.

Also, Lou doesn't find diamonds in the rough anymore (like Madden or Rafalski) nor have the Devils developed any decent players in a long time. Conte and Lou just aren't what they used to be.

This team has tons of problems and they'll likely get worse. I don't think the Brodeur farewell tour (if this actually is one) isn't going to increase ticket sales any either.

That said, yes, I can't wait for October.
- ElvisLemieux

I do not want a farewell tour either. What will help finances is making the playoffs.

Regarding Lou and Conte, it is tough when trade picks and pick late in the rounds to draft well. BTW, Greene, Oduya and Clarkson were all undrafted. So there are some diamonds in the rough.

Sweet stats, while it seems that Schneider should obviously be the starter, he also played with a much better team.

I would consider Brodeur to be the starter until he falls behind or Schneider takes over. With Schneider getting a minimum of 30 games, IMO.

Schneider should be pumped that he can learn some stuff from possibly the best goalie who ever played the game before he retires. Split the time fifty fifty and let schneider get comfortable in his new surroundings before you hand him the reigns.

Sweet stats, while it seems that Schneider should obviously be the starter, he also played with a much better team.

I would consider Brodeur to be the starter until he falls behind or Schneider takes over. With Schneider getting a minimum of 30 games, IMO.
- Steven_Dean

He didn't play with a better defensive team...

He didn't play with a better defensive team...
- rmdevil313

Isn't it amazing how teams can have better defensemen then us yet we still do better defensively and on top of that all of our D suck like really suck.

At this point, I don't even think its a debate that Schneider is much better, its just how accommodating the Deboer and Brodeur will be in giving over the reins in net for the betterment of the team.

Loyalty-above-all used to work better in the non-cap era. Salaries are common knowledge now to even a casual fan and role players are getting severely overpaid.

Also, Lou doesn't find diamonds in the rough anymore (like Madden or Rafalski) nor have the Devils developed any decent players in a long time. Conte and Lou just aren't what they used to be.

This team has tons of problems and they'll likely get worse. I don't think the Brodeur farewell tour (if this actually is one) isn't going to increase ticket sales any either.

That said, yes, I can't wait for October.
- ElvisLemieux

I don't think you can expect to find players like Rafalski consistently with undrafted signings. We have one of the best 4th lines in the league built from waiver wire pickups and an undrafted signing. Greene was undrafted. Acquired lokti with a 5th rounder. Drafted fayne in the 5th, Henrique in the 3rd, and Boucher in the 4th. I'd agree that the drafting isn't as strong as it once was, but there is only so much you can do consistently being in the lower third of the draft order.

Isn't it amazing how teams can have better defensemen then us yet we still do better defensively and on top of that all of our D suck like really suck.
- blizzzard

I think when things are going bad its a lot easier to nitpick defensive deficiencies. We also do a good job of playing the game in the other teams zone which will put less stress on the dmen. But it is weird how average of a group they seem on paper yet they do a better job than most.

Agreed Todd. If Cory doesn't play a minimum of 41 games i'll be thoroughly disappointed. He deserves the starts and playing Marty less will keep him fresher for when he does play. Ideally I'd like to see Cory get 41-50 starts.

Both Santini and Matteau made the first cut for team USA

I would like to see you include shot attempts in this part of your review. Perhaps even GAA per 60 (averaged for 5 on 5, 4 on 5 and 5 on 4).

You assert that NJ had a better penalty kill, yet Brodeur had a worse save percentage. It is entirely possible that NJ allowed less shots on Brodeur on the PK, but those shots were of a higher quality (better scoring chance) and as such Brodeur doesn't have a lot of easy saves to fluff his stats.

I mentioned this in the comments of a previous post but, under Alain V, Vancouver allowed plenty of low scoring chance shots. I believe you commented on the number of shots by defensemen and the save percentage of Cory on them. Lots of easier shots, big save percentage.

Interesting work and reading, keep up the good work!

I would like to see you include shot attempts in this part of your review. Perhaps even GAA per 60 (averaged for 5 on 5, 4 on 5 and 5 on 4).

You assert that NJ had a better penalty kill, yet Brodeur had a worse save percentage. It is entirely possible that NJ allowed less shots on Brodeur on the PK, but those shots were of a higher quality (better scoring chance) and as such Brodeur doesn't have a lot of easy saves to fluff his stats.

I mentioned this in the comments of a previous post but, under Alain V, Vancouver allowed plenty of low scoring chance shots. I believe you commented on the number of shots by defensemen and the save percentage of Cory on them. Lots of easier shots, big save percentage.

Interesting work and reading, keep up the good work!
- mungozen

As a Vancouver fan, what are your thoughts on Schneider. Elite goaltender? Thanks.

As a Vancouver fan, what are your thoughts on Schneider. Elite goaltender? Thanks.
- ChuckNJ

cory has looked good but has yet to prove himself with a full 60+ games a season.

good numbers playing once a week

Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils: Cory Schneider Vs. Martin Brodeur
- Todd.Cordell

Great article todd

Isn't it amazing how teams can have better defensemen then us yet we still do better defensively and on top of that all of our D suck like really suck.
- blizzzard

NJ always seem to get the most out of their D.

Canucks pairings were an absolute mess last year.

It was musical D pairings right up until the playoffs, and in the end they went with a Edler/Bieksa top pairing—the two guys who compliment each other the least.

It was a coaching/systems/execution issue, not an issue with personnel.

Great article todd
- shvingter88

Thanks

Great article todd
- shvingter88

Come up with new material, jerk!

Come up with new material, jerk!
- MrToast

you shut your mouth when you talk to me

I would think Marty Brodeur being the battler he is will play lights out this year and do his best to keep Cory out of his net. He will be a good team mate but he does not like to be second best. That is why I think Marty is the starter and as long as the team is winning with him in net he will play the majorityof games. Schneider is the future and will have to actually outplay Marty if he wants to be number one.